Are You An Ironman?

 Are You An Ironman?

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Are you an Ironman? That seems to be a rather simple question right? You either went 140.6 miles or you didn’t, but it really isn’t that simple. Recently I was asked if you can get the M-Dot tattoo only if you have done a WTC race. My first inclination was that the distance was the distance but the more I think about this the more I am certain that you should only get an M-Dot tattoo if you do a WTC event.

Where did this revelation come from? It started with my race at Rev3 Maine at the end of August. I absolutely loved the venue as it was the 2nd best place I have raced the 70.3 distance. Ironman 70.3 Puerto Rico is still #1 in that realm followed by Maine and then Ironman 70.3 California and finally 70.3 Austin. So we can say that the place was terrific but let’s dig deeper than that. How about the race itself?

The race was a gorgeous course, but shouldn’t that be expected? I mean they are not going to schedule a 70.3 race through a run down downtown city that has abandoned buildings and the dregs of society on every street corner. So let’s not go over board here in that the course was just unbeatable and unlike any other. It was very pretty but I wouldn’t say it was better or worse than the other 70.3 races I have done.

The on course support. Here is where it is much different. At the 3 WTC events I did I saw SAG vehicles everywhere as well as plenty of referees on the course to do what they can to keep the race clean. Of course not every act of drafting is going to get caught so please hold your argument that you see tons of drafting at WTC events. I saw plenty of it at Maine and there were only 444 athletes in the 70.3 race.

And this brings me to the next point about Rev3 and why I think that if you do a 140.6 race that is not WTC sanctioned that getting the M-Dot tattoo or calling yourself an Ironman makes no sense. 444 athletes or what the WTC typically has in the M35-39 Age Group. There are claims that there were 1200 athletes at Maine, and while that may be true 2/3 of them raced the Olympic. Now my point about the 140.6 distance is this. The Ironman race starts with 2000-2500 athletes all going at the same time. There is something about having to battle your way through that many athletes in the swim then get through transition where there are hundreds of people in the changing tent, then fight them on the bike and blow past them on the run that makes the Ironman event an Ironman event.

When there are only 450 participants there is no battle for space. You have all the space you need. The claims that Ironman races are so tight and there is no space are true and that is because there are 2500 people there, not 450. I don’t know how many participate in the HITS series but I know for sure that it isn’t 2500 and there in lies the difference between Ironman and the others.

People love the bash WTC and the mistakes they have made with some of their races. It happens. It is a business run by human beings and last I checked human beings still make mistakes. Don’t believe me? How about Rev3 not having a single thing to eat after the Maine race for a vegetarian? Mistake? I would think so. How about the fact that the gentleman at the lobster cookout told me I could buy water? Probably a mistake as well since Rev3 should have had water for the participants away from the finish line so that there weren’t athletes walking back and forth into the finish area.

There is also this, from the Rev3 Facebook page:

We apologize for the embarrassing mix up on your hard earned finisher medals :(. we are working on the solution now and we will email all of the Full athletes with details about the solution very soon. We just have to pack up these trucks first!

Had this been the WTC there would have been a barrage of social media posts as to what a crass organization the WTC is and how they don’t care about their athletes. Listen, a mistake was made and Rev3 is fixing it and that is great. On the other hand let’s not pretend like the WTC wouldn’t do the same, but then again we don’t know that because the WTC has not had this type of error since I have been racing. See everybody screws up at some point, and then that brings me to the next point.

With the news that WTC cancelled IMNYC the barrage of tweets and Facebook posts was crazy. WTC noticed the error in their ways, whether it was for profit sake or not, they noticed it and pulled the event. Smart move in my opinion and much better than trying to half-ass the event. If people think that the WTC is so rotten how come races sell out in minutes and new races are popping up all over the place? Just this year they announced a 70.3 Raleigh and I for one am ready to head to North Carolina and race.

Ironman Wisconsin sold out in minutes and Ironman Lake Placid just recently sold out as well. This is the pre-eminent racing circuit for long course racing and that much cannot be argues. Yeah there is Challenge and there are new series like Rev3 and HITS that are just getting started but if it weren’t for WTC and its popularity there probably would not be another race series out there. This is what Ironman brings to the sport. When people think of triathlon they think Hawaii/Kona and not Cedar Point or Hunter Mountain. They don’t ask about whether or not you are going to be on TV at the Challenge Roth or Redman. They ask when they will see you on TV in. Hawaii, whether they know you have to be the best in the world or not. Ironman is synonymous with triathlon.

There are people out there that love Rev3, HITS, Challenge, etc and that is all fine and dandy. Support them and be behind them 100% for whatever reason but please just stop telling me how great the organization is and how poor of an organization WTC is, because it isn’t. It is the only organization that you can qualify for the Ironman World Championships at and is the only organization, in my mind, in which you can call yourselves an Ironman.

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  1. sarah says:

    What about IM Louisville? It does not have amass swim start. Does this mean those people are not Ironmans? I think its more about the distance not the brand.
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    • CTER says:

      What about IMKY? Just because it is time trial does not mean that st some point there won’t be close to a thousand swimmers with you. There will also be thousands of athletes in the transition area and on the course. I don’t think the time trial start makes a difference, but I think calling it an Ironman is what makes the difference because of the company putting it on.
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      • Victoria says:

        My first question was IMKY (obviously). There aren’t thousands of athletes in transition at any time because of the TT start. You noted that it was a key component of the ironman experience, so does that mean we missed out?

        As far as the main question of who can and cannot get an M-dot tattoo – anybody is free to put any corporate logo on their body. I’m thinking I want to go for Ford myself.

      • I agree with Sarah. I don’t think being an Ironman is a matter of the brand but the distance.
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  2. Michelle says:

    Interesting debate. I never really thought about that. Although, now that I have, I see your point. It would be like getting a Boston Marathon tattoo even though you ran the Maine Marathon. Same distance, but very different race.

    I am new to this sport so to me (and probably many others who don’t race), I just equated ‘Ironman’ to mean the distance of 140.6, the challenge of that distance, when actually Ironman is a branded race. A specific race. I see what you are saying now.

    So at a Rev3 140.6 race, when you cross the finish, they do not announce: Michelle Bouchard, you are an Ironman? They probably can’t, if Ironman is trademarked. Either way, I would be proud as hell to finish that distance when Ironman put it on or not.
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  3. Matt Oravec says:

    I disagree. Strongly. It’s not about the race… at all.

    Your arguments can be taken from race companies to venues. Is someone that did 140.6 miles on a flat course any less of an athlete than someone that does it on only a hilly course?

    Ironman is not about the company. It’s about the journey. It’s about the self discovery and the revelations the you go through in learning about yourself and your body during training.

    It means something different to everyone. For you to go and say that a person has not earned a title because they didn’t swim w/ 2500 other athletes is absurd. The first guys that did 140.6 miles did not have 2500 other athletes at their sides and they were considered Ironmen. So why does swimming w/ thousands of athletes change the ability to use that title?!

    I guess I really don’t understand your take on this.

    People bash WTC because they expect them to be perfect. They are the biggest race organization out there, have been doing this probably the longest, and are the most well known. Why was there not a huge hoopla w/ the Rev3 medal issue? Mainly because they don’t have nearly the number of people following them and I am sure most of the people are not expecting Rev3 to be of the same caliber as WTC, also, you can’t get to Kona from Rev3, so people don’t care as much. Clearly no race company can be in business and provide the same race as WTC can at their rates, you have to have the volume of people that WTC has to make money.

    So yes, I do take personal offense that you don’t consider me an Ironman. I think your basis of points here are weak and if anything you are belittling my accomplishments at a different race organization than WTC. Not cool.

    I have my reasons for backing Rev3. I like the atmosphere of their events better than the WTC atmosphere. Everyone experiences things differently in life but don’t ever tell me that I am not an Ironman.
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    • CTER says:

      I think that is incorrect. I think if anybody does the distance that they are incredible. That their accomplishment is not to be passed along as if it didn’t happen but when it comes to saying Ironman I think that is different,

      You would not get an M-Dot tattoo but if you were old you get one after a Rev3,HITS, Challenge or Redman event? Would that make sense? and then think aboutnthenquestion: which Ironman did you do? How do you answer that to somebody who doesn’t know about Rev3 Cedar Point?

      I don’t think any less of a person that does 140.6 miles under a different name. I think it is incredible and people are ‘ironmen(women’ long before race day anyway because as you say you go through the journey and discover what you are made of. Race day itself is a culmination of that journey.

      But race day is different and it is also what you make of it. For some the opportunity to put personal demons behind them is more important than even 140.6 miles. For others it is going faster today than they did yesterday and for others it is about winning their age group and going to Kona.

      For me the value is I pushing my mind and my body farther than i could or thought I could. Will I do other events besides WTC? Yes I will. Can I say I did an Ironman when they are not WTC events, no I cannot.
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      • Matt Oravec says:

        Why? WTC owns the word “ironman” that doesn’t mean anything to me. I did an ironman distance race. Ironman refers to the initial ironman distance triathlon. Through corporate branding WTC is changing the view on “ironman”. They want it as a label to their company and not to define the distance or race.

        I think WTC was formed in 1990 give or take. So, people competing before then can’t be called an Ironman since they weren’t WTC races? Or because they didn’t have a certain number of people in the event?

        I get that you prefer the WTC “experience” over other race series, that’s fine, but don’t take away from titles earned by athletes all over the world because they didn’t sign up for and complete a WTC race. I am an ironman whether you want to recognize it or not. I am probably faster than 50% of the field that complete these races and you are going to tell me that I am not an Ironman?

        Why can’t I get an M dot tattoo? It’s a symbol representing the distance, that is what WTC has fought so hard and spent so much money branding. Explain that to me? I didn’t do a race they own but I can’t celebrate for the same accomplishment? We are all brothers through the sport, don’t drive a stake in the ground and separate athletes based on what race company they decided to celebrate their hard work with.
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    • CTER says:

      And let me add on that I do not like when people confuse the 70.3 distance for an Ironman. When people see that laundry bag I take to the gym for swimming and ask about racing an Ironman I feel the need to explain that it was not from an Ironman, but a half-ironman and that is not to take away from that either but it is not an Ironman.
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  4. Scott says:

    Wow, this is going to be interesting in the comment section.

    According to history, John Collins, the founder of the race and one of the orginal 15 inaugural racers said ” “The gun will go off about 7 a.m., the clock will keep running and whoever finishes first we’ll call the Ironman,” So according to the founder of the race, only the person that crosses the line first shall be called an Ironman. So does that mean that only the winners are Ironman?

    What he also said and wrote on the orginal program was “Swim 2.4 miles! Bike 112 miles! Run 26.2 miles! Brag for the rest of your life!” No matter the name of the race org or the place, everyone that finishes 140.6 miles will always remember that day, ranked up their with wedding, kids born, etc.
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    • CTER says:

      If that is how you want to interpreted it then yes. If you race HITS then you’re a Hitman?

      I think everybody has a different reason for doing the distance and I think everybody will have a different perspective on it. This just happens to be mine and one I thought about in conjunction with the M-Dot tattoo and being asked if you should/could get one if the race you do is not WTC. I don’t think it makes sense to get one if it is not WTC but that is my opinion.
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  5. Maria Lopez says:

    I can see why you don’t want people to get an M-dot tattoo. But, I think your points to support your view aren’t very effective. Better race support doesn’t make a difference. And, the original Ironman races didn’t have that many praticipants. So, the challenge of jockeying for position that you see now wasn’t prevelant in the beginning. But, those athletes would be entitled to get an M-dot. I think it’s more of a status symbol. M-dot is a trademark brand icon. You don’t want someone walking around with a knock-off purse or watch claiming that it’s the real thing. It may be just as good as the real thing to some people; looks, feels and functions like the same thing. But, in the end, the real thing costs a lot more and if you are an owner of the real thing you will notice the differences and probably get a little upset when you see someone walking around with a knock-off.

  6. Natasha says:

    I have held off from getting a tattoo to commemorate this only because I don’t want to “brand” myself with an Mdot. It’s exactly that their brand and logo why would I want to commemorate a brand… So I am waiting to think of a good symbol or idea that can represent me and my accomplishment regardless of the fact that I did it with a certain company, even if I like that company. Although I see some of your points I think that is different than the tattoo. Happy Training!
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    • peter takeda says:

      hey if i race a 5i50, am i an Ironman?

      seriously, i just finished IMMT and haven’t got the tattoo yet. Not sure if i’ll get one.

      Seeing that I already did a WTC 140.6, I can call myself an Ironman even if I eventually do a Rev 3 140.6, thus i avoid that argument

  7. Interesting debate.

    A friend of mine started Placid last year, had mechanical issues on the bike only to miss the cutoff by a few minutes, did Rev3CP, finished, got the mdot tattoo. I doubt I would have if I was a tattoo type of guy but I am not. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the mdot is the second most popular corporate trademark tattoo (behind Harley Davidson). Some people have solved this with “140.6” replacing the Mdot. Again, not for me.

    Rev3 isn’t without sin either. They screwed up my time at Quassy and weren’t able to fix it. I think that there is still some maturation needed there.

    But back to the term “ironman.” It is a registered trademark of a commercial company. We are counting on them to maintain the standard. What if all of a sudden they started calling 70.3 races Ironman? Oh wait…

    I personally do not call myself an ironman but I do call myself an Ironman finisher – subtle difference. I wouldn’t say that if I finished one of the other races. Haven’t figured out what I would call myself in that context though. Is it 1xc ironman finisher and 1x other? Doesn’t really flow.

    The related debate is does any race count to be an ironman other than Kona. I say yes.

  8. Heather O says:

    I think this is going to be a never ending debate. The confusion comes in with the proper use of the word. There is Ironman (capital I) the brand and then there is the generic term ironman (lowercase i); ironman has become a generic term that people use to refer to a 140.6 or full distance triathlon. I too have an issue with people calling the Full Rev an “Ironman”. My issue with this lies in the fact that people are giving credit where credit is NOT due. It’s not an Ironman event it’s a Full Rev event and Revolution Three triathlon deserves the respect of people calling it what it is! On the contrary, I do not have a problem with people calling themselves an “ironman” after completing the Full Rev. Let’s dumb it down to Q-Tips. Most people call those cotton swab sticks that you use to clean your ears “Q-Tips”. But according to your debate they are not really Q-Tips. Q-Tips is a brand and anyone who calls a cotton swab a Q-Tip is wrong in calling it a Q-Tip (unless it is that specific brand). Or think of it as Coke. I know several people who refer to soda pop in general as “coke”. Even when it’s a Pepsi brand item they call it a “coke.” Why? Because that’s just the generic term people have been using for years.

    So, since my only 140.6 distance event or “full triathlon” event (since WTC has tried to trademark the “140.6” as well) was a Rev3 event would I get an “Ironman” logo tatoo? Absolutely not! Why would I want to have the wrong company logo branded on myself? Why would I give credit to Ironman and not Rev3? Would I get the word “ironman” or the text “140.6” tattooed on myself? If I was into tattoos I would probably say yes. The word ironman clearly has a different meaning than the trademarked Ironman.

    And finally I think you will find that alot of people will take offense to your implications that the completion of other 140.6 distance events outside of WTC are not as deserving as a WTC event because the swim doesn’t have as many people. In my opinion this is a ridiculous argument. Each and every race is different and has its own advantages and disadvantages. Even WTC events are different and have different amounts of people and different weather conditions and different terrain. Just because one has more people doesn’t make it harder than the rest. Consider a point to point swim versus a two loop course. By your argument people who do WTC events with a point to point swim should not be called an “Ironman” because technically it’s not as hard. There won’t be faster people lapping the slower people on the second loop so clearly not as many people to contend with.

    If every race were the exact same, with the same number of people, the same weather conditions, the same terrain conditions, the same race company and venue then triathlon would be a pretty boring sport. In my opinion Ironman should welcome the competition of Rev3 because without competition no one improves or strives to be better or do better. At any rate the distance is the distance is the distance. Who cares what “brand” it is!

  9. Jeff Irvin says:

    It is an interesting debate and really just shows we are all entering the off-season and need something to talk about.

    I tend to agree with Jason’s take on the semantics of the term “Ironman”, if for the only reason to get Matt fired up. But I am wired to like things wrapped up neatly in little perfect boxes – no coloring outside the lines dammit.

    Also the “Rev3 is great” and “WTC is the devil” message that seems to permeate in the social media world has become tired. They are different, embrace those differences and move on. If you want a more laid back chilled environment what allows you to carry your pet cat across the finish then go race Rev3 and HITS. If you want the big ass, grandiose event with all the bells and whistles and Mike Reilly screaming your name like a madman then you know where to go.

    It just kills me how people will bash WTC and three days later you see them posting on FB about how they just signed up for the latest Ironman (*TM, WTC).

    Everything in life doesn’t have to be some self-fulfilling fantasy of David vs Goliath because the vast majority of other triathletes really could give two shits about which race promotion company is doing your next race.

    It is okay to like WTC races, and not like Rev3, really it is, no one cares. Think about that the next time you share an article on FB people.
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    • Matt Oravec says:

      Agreed. And like you said, everyone loves to hate. WTC is a great business model. They are super successful. Their races typically are well oiled machines.

      However, I don’t like the idea that I am not considered an ironman based on Jason’s reasoning.
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      • Jeff Irvin says:

        As some one who works in Sales and Marketing, I’d wager a guess that Rev3 would prefer to have races they promote branded as “HalfRev” or “FullRev”. Differentiation is key when branding products but it also takes time. WTC (and NBC) has done such a good job at branding the name “Ironman” that it has almost become synonymous with the term,”Triathlon”. Those less informed of the distances of races may just chose to view all races as Ironmans not knowing of the different distances.

        Kleenex is a brand name yet we all refer to all tissues as a Kleenex. IT has become generic. WTC is in the same situation as Kleenex it just happens to be on such a small scale in regards to general population vs Triathlete population.

        I’d think Rev3 would want to brand themselves as different from the “generic” Ironman term, but, maybe not, maybe it is more profitable to ride the coat tails of the major player (in terms of branding) and not be different? And unlike the term “Kleenex”, “Ironman” actually means something to many people on an emotional level. The proof of this is in the amount of comments and depths of them on this post.

        I’d wager a guess that no one would be this emotional over a “Kleenex” vs “Puffs” debate!

        Interesting case study. It would be fun to watch some focus groups on these questions.
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        • Matt Oravec says:

          You don’t put months of training, sweat, and work into using a Kleenex though haha. I agree w/ you. Rev probably is trying to promote their brand, and honestly I don’t care what they want to call their stuff. What I care about is that to me ironman means 140.6 miles of triathlon. That is what that distance has been so successfully branded as. Having completed that distance in a USAT sanctioned event makes me an ironman.

          I honestly don’t think that you have to do a certain brand to earn a title that was created before that company bought it and trade marked it. The infamous “ironman” title was created long before all the marketing BS. Hence the reason I think this post is bonkers.
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  10. Kevin says:

    I take biggest issue with all the bashing the WTC gets and how much Rev3 is put up on a pedestal.

    I was talking to Kristin @ The Lazy Marathoner back at IMWI last year. She gave an instance where the WTC took care of her. She finished, got her finisher’s shirt, but afterwards realized it was the wrong size. The race had already packed up and was gone. She emailed the RD, explained the situation and the RD mailed her the correct size for no charge. Those are the stories you don’t here.

    Whenever an organization gets large (like the WTC), they expose themselves to criticism and it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. Say that 5% of the participants are upset. For an Ironman event, that is 125 people. For a Rev3 event, that is closer to 25. So, sure the WTC is going to get a lot more criticism whether it is deserved or not.
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    • Matt Oravec says:

      Kevin, 100% right.

      Like Jason said, the whole medal screw up. I don’t know the details but I would have been pissed, stuff happened at Cedar Point that I am very irritated about and do not think should have happened since this is their 3rd year at that location. How many people did the full this year at Rev3? 400, 500? That is it for an entire year for them… How many people do the full for WTC? THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS. More voices reach more people. Hence the bashing w/ WTC. Also, most of the people doing ironman races are middle aged men who are pre-madonna’s w/ tons of money. Their farts smell like roses and they can’t do wrong. So everything that ever happens to them is someone else’s fault… who is the someone else when they race? WTC.

      Do I think WTC suck? Heck no. Do I think Rev3 is better? Heck no. However, I do prefer the laid back atmosphere of their races.
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    • Mason Prescott says:

      Agreed Kevin.
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  11. Jill says:

    You know I’m not into all the tri lingo, but I’ve always thought that the M-dot is a brand and calling a triathlon race an Ironman when it wasn’t the official brand wasn’t proper. M-dot paid a crap load of money for that logo…..therefore, I think if you do one of their races, then you get the logo plastered on you (though, anyone can physically have any tattoo they want….doesn’t mean they DID it, maybe it means they support it or they’re just assholes…) and if you didn’t then its just a full or a half triathlon.

    That said, I find it hard to say “half triathlon” and much easier to say “half Ironman” … I had a client do a half recently that wasn’t an Ironman brand and we just keep calling it Ironman because we didn’t really know how else to refer it. “Full Triathlon” sounds better than “Half Triathlon”. But what do I know.
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  12. Bob says:

    Funny…. I would never consider doing anything but WTC races… because they do own the Ironman brand. Any other race I would have to say I did a race the involved 140 some miles of swim, bike and run… If I said I did a full REV people would stare at me and then I would have to explain that it is an ironman distance event and then I would have to explain what that is….. I am too old and dont have that kind of time on my hands… therefore I do the original and only have to explain once what it is…

    Tatto? I haven’t found anything worth looking at for the rest of my life… shoot I take business trips to get away from my family because I am tired of looking at them…. how do I get away from a tatto?

    And an Mdot for a REV race……. REALLY?
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  13. Marlene says:

    Ooooh hot topic! I think you’ve explained this very well.

    My initial reaction was : how can you get the M-Dot tattoo for completing a non-“Ironman” race? It’s the logo! Go ahead and ink “140.6” on yourself by all means becuase that is legit.

    Of course I don’t speak from personal experience [yet] but there is just nothing else like Ironman.
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  14. Karen says:

    Dang Jason – ouch! I personally don’t call my race an “ironman” but rather an iron distance; however I don’t think my accomplishment is any less than yours at IM TX simply because my race was smaller. Why not call IM MT finishers one (or two) steps above IM FL finishers because their race is so much more difficult.

    I have no desire to put an Mdot on my butt not because I have anything against them but that wasn’t the company that hosted my race. I have no issues with WTC races, they are so difficult to get into that I chose alternate venues for my iron distance.
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  15. lindsay says:

    i agree. an “ironman” to me = 140.6, but i wouldn’t get the WTC Ironman logo tattoo’d. to me it’s the WTC logo. get the mileage tattooed, or IM. or, i just wouldn’t get a tattoo, to be honest.
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  16. Joel says:

    So you seem to have a couple of points in your post – and I am not sure which is the overriding one. Is it that folks who do non-WTC iron distance races shouldn’t call themselves an ironman? Is it that you’re a huge fan of WTC events and don’t like the positive (generally) press that Rev3 gets? Or is your point that the race experience at Rev3 Maine generally underwhelmed you (other than the venue itself). I seem to get each of these points from your post.

    Here’s my take – and I’d consider myself a good judge of the differences as I’ve done more than my share of WTC races (including IMKY and IMFL) and my share of Rev3 races (though not the Full Rev). I think I like the idea of “ironman” with the little I representing the journey, the distance and the accomplishment. I’d have no problem with someone who did Rev3 or HITS calling themselves an ironman. It’s an adjective that I think most of the population would “get” and likely agree with.

    To each their own in terms of what they like about race venues. I loved the finish line experience at IMKY. I thought the mass crowd at the start of IMFL was interesting. I love the laid-back atmosphere at Rev3 races. Is one better than the other? To me, yes. I like Rev3 better.

    People bash WTC because they think it’s too crowded, too into the money…..and because it’s chic to do so.
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  17. Brian says:

    This post is so irritating. Does everyone always have to have a stick up their ass? If you race a marathon but started in the roped off elite box and therefore didn’t have to battle the masses for position, does that mean your not a marathon runner. If you used toilet paper rather than Kleenex does that mean you didn’t blow your nose?

    • CTER says:

      I think equating running a marathon as an elite and racing an Ironman with 2,000+ participants or 400 is not on equal footing.

      If you race 140.6 miles on your own tank of gas that is an amazing accomplishment and should be recognized but I don’t think they are the same due to the nature of the size of the racing fields.

      I also take issue with those that call 70.3 Ironman events. They aren’t an Ironman and I am quick to point out the difference.

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